Pitt And Syracuse To ACC: We Laughed, We Cried, We Bailed
And with Saturday's shenanigans, it became official - never had a regular season game been forgotten about so quickly.
Probably because we wanted it to be and all, but still. The crappy loss to Iowa is barely a blip on the radar right now. When next weekend rolls around, we'll all remember there's still a season to be played, but for now, time to think ACC.
ACC. Man, if you blinked today, you missed it. In case you've been under a rock with the Mayans waiting for 2012, Pitt and Syracuse appear bound for the ACC. As of now, it's not been announced officially, but news seems imminent. The Post-Gazette's saying it could happen as soon as tonight. And if not now, maybe tomorrow. Pitt, of course, is offering the standard 'no comment.'
I mentioned this somewhere (in between Cardiac Hill, SB Nation Pittsburgh, and Twitter, hard to remember where) today, but I'm dying to know how long Pitt's been playing with a poker face hiding this. And make no mistake about it - the Panthers wouldn't be going through all of this for only a 'chance' to be invited. This is about as done a deal as it can get without an official announcement.
After all, if conference athletic directors are weighing in with their disgust saying it's probably a done deal, then, well, it's done, in my opinion. But if you were looking for more evidence, Coach K, of all people, appeared to provide that today.
Krzyzewski (man, I'm not looking forward to learning how to spell that name) sounds like a man resigned to the fact that Pitt and Syracuse are coming on board:Duke coach Mike Kryzyzewski said Saturday night grabbing Syracuse and Pittsburgh away from the Big East is a major coup."It's actually pretty exciting," Krzyzewski said. "I think it's great for our conference football-wise, even better basketball-wise. Wherever this is going to end up, four big-time conferences or five, whatever it is, you want to be perceived as No. 1 in football and basketball.
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"The NBA had the ABA. The NFL had the AFL. There was once no BCS. The NIT was once better than the NCAA (tournament). When it happens while you're doing it, it seems like it shouldn't happen, but it is. I think the leadership in our conference is doing a great job of getting ahead. It's good thinking, especially if everything goes down with these two schools that have great athletic programs. They are unbelievable fits for our conference."
No way would a coach of his stature be gushing about these additions if it wasn't a done deal.
So why did this happen? It's something I've been saying for a long time - the Big East needed to move quickly and swiftly ... and it never did. Paul Zeise of the PG mentioned that Steve Pederson has been pushing for a 12-team football conference and commissioner John Marinatto has been dragging his feet, essentially.
Fact is that Pitt couldn't afford to wait.The Panthers are going to get killed for this ... and to a degree, that's deserved since Mark Nordenberg has been one of the frontrunners for keeping the conference together. But in the end, the only rule that applies is Pitt needs to do what's best for Pitt. The atmosphere in college football is far too shaky right now and the school simply couldn't afford to wait for Marinatto to get his act together and bring in additional programs - especially if they weren't sure he even would. The ACC presented itself and at the end of the day, any Big East team would be a fool not to accept the invite. No, it's not because the ACC has a dominant football program - while it's a bit better than the Big East would be with TCU coming (man, where's that storyline going?), it's not leaps and bounds better - it's an issue of stability. The ACC would have 14 teams and would still be in pretty good shape even if it lost a few teams to the SEC or Big 1G.
How hated will the Panthers be by Big East teams? It's possible they'll be even more hated than the original three defectors. This move comes at a time after Pitt reportedly fought for the conference to hold out for a better TV deal - one that may not be coming, now. And they were there after that initial panic to help rebuild the conference. When you throw in the fact that Pitt apparently didn't call the conference to give them a heads up and that things came together so quickly ...
Well, let's just say they may avoid the Clambake next year. Ah, next year. That's if the Panthers are still around by then. There's been talk of them somehow avoiding the Big East's 27-month notice and playing in the league sooner than that. Time will tell.
So is the Big East dead? Well, not quite:
CBSSports.com reported that the Big East has reached out to every Big 12 team except Oklahoma and Oklahoma State about potentially joining the league. That, obviously, would include Texas.
"Do you just add Missouri, Kansas and Kansas State in the league and make it an interesting East/West type of thing?" the Big East coach asked. "Do you just add Temple and Central Florida now? Does the league finally split with football and basketball?"
Finally, action. Only problem is that it may be coming too late. The Big East knew that they would be in serious trouble if the conference lost a few teams to expansion and did nothing. Obligatory meetings were held, I'm sure, but the conference needed to strike. They didn't and this is the result.
Okay, now that this appears to be happening, is it a good move? Greg weighed in already and here are my thoughts - Pitt couldn't be more fortunate. For starters, unlike the Big 12, this isn't a reach geographically. Sure, those rules are being broken (and will continue to be), but it's nice to play teams that are fairly close by and where road trips can actually exist.
The conference also provides the stability factor as I discussed and, while it's a step up in football, it's a place where Pitt could compete. Maybe not as much as the Big East, but they shouldn't be completely overwhelmed. I wrote almost two years ago when Pitt/Big Ten stuff was being floated out there that I didn't like that fit, partially because Pitt could have a hard time competing in football.
Plus, the basketball is barely a drop off from the Big East. Sure, we all loved playing UConn, Nova, and the like, but you're kidding yourself if you think Pitt-Duke and Pitt-UNC at the Pete aren't going to be incredible.
There are two things that have been floated out there that are giving some fans cause for concern - rivalries and recruiting in NY/NJ/Philly. On the rivalry front, Pitt's had them with Miami, VT, and BC before and there's no reason those can't be built up again. Basketball rivalries against Duke and Carolina will be almost instantaneous as soon as J.J. Moore throws down a dunk on one of the unsuspecting Plumlee brothers. Pitt won't replace either Duke or UNC as the other's main rival, but those will be some pretty incredible games - every bit as good as Pitt-UConn.
The recruiting thing is a joke, too. Pitt's had a strong presence in those areas for years now and playing North Carolina and Duke is just appealing as playing UConn and Nova. Maybe not to every kid, but to plenty of them.
This is a great move for Pitt - period.
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Congrats on the move.
I came on to find out what was being said about the move to the ACC. This is a perfect fit and the basketball will be unbelieveable. I was at the football game today and as much as I know it stings your team put up one hell of a fight. I personally think this is cool from the stand point of pushing the Big 12 to it’s death. Pitt and Syracuse have started that domino into motion. Thank you.
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by NileKinnickIronman on Sep 17, 2011 11:22 PM EDT reply actions
BC fan here...
Glad to you see you and ’Cuse come on board: stoked to play annually again. Good fit academically and athletically, and fills out the ACC geographically.
by Eagle in Brighton on Sep 17, 2011 11:46 PM EDT reply actions
And you don’t have to play Rutgers, which should be reason to celebrate in itself.
by Eagle in Brighton on Sep 17, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Despite Loss, Day Full of Win
We won today. Not on the football field but in the field and course of conference realignment. It’s a bit facetious to think that this was actually done today, however. It’s clear that this was a plan of action for Pitt, Syracuse, and the ACC. We know conference realignment has been the elephant in the room for a long time but today we saw the action happen and so I guess today (or tomorrow) is what we’ll call our Independence Day (or New Dependence, I guess).
This is a great move for Pitt. It’s very difficult not to get nervous when you’re in a “bubble” conference and the entire landscape around you is shifting. That’s where we stood yesterday. This morning when I woke up it looked like we had a clearer view of the world. Now it appears we’ve got the bird’s eye view.
The ACC has a common bond between its universities. Their schools play all sports in the conference or they don’t play at all. That is not so with the Big East. This conference was founded with the intention of housing and providing for basketball programs. Adding football and the complications that came with that situation was reactionary. This is problematic. Inequity, rearing its ugly head, has been the issue in major conference realignment as of late. The Big 12 is a sinking ship because Texas is the fat cat. The Big East is about to sink because basketball only schools have been provided a seat at the table as full members and they, along with the conference leadership, have hampered the potential of the situation.
Chancellor Nordenberg is not to blame for this. Steve Pederson is not to blame for this. At the end of the day the Big East Conference does not sign their paychecks. The University of Pittsburgh does and it is to that institution that they owe their duty of loyalty. None of us can know how genuine they have been in their attempt to save the Big East. We do know, however, that in the past Nordenberg has been a very strong proponent of keeping the league together and has acted accordingly. He didn’t raid the conference years ago by stripping away Miami, VT, and BC. He acted to patch a sinking float. Eventually, he ran out of glue and found another raft. That’s not his fault. That’s called survival and it’s exactly what he owed to Pitt.
The ACC may not be the best BCS conference in football but it is much more stable. Pitt is a great fit both academically and athletically. We bring a top tier basketball program, a solid and rising football program with a ton of tradition, and a top tier research institution to the table. The ACC won today too.
In the end, I think that if the Big East had heeded the advise of Pitt and WVU to get to 12 football members that we wouldn’t be in this situation. TCU certainly helped, but as long as the conference stood at less than 12 schools, there were going to be concerns.
I can understand other BE schools being upset, but at the end of the day, none of them turn down that invite. Period.
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by CardiacHill on Sep 18, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Long Posts
I think I write replies that are too long. Maybe it’s time to start blogging :).
try doing a fanpost
it’s a good way to get your opinion out there without having to resort to a long-winded reply
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I offer these popular alternatives:
1) Coach K
2) Ferret face
3) The Devil
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by CardiacHill on Sep 18, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
i have nothing but respect for coach k
i really cant see what there is to dislike about the guy, but i’m sure my attitude could change on that pretty quickly
Respect - yes.
But, I grew up a Tarheels fan and while I no longer root for them, still easy for me to root against Duke.
Going up against him will be incredible, though.
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ACC has already approved addition of Pittsburgh, Syracuse
The presidents of the Atlantic Coast Conference voted Saturday morning to accept Syracuse and Pittsburgh to the league, according to an official in the ACC. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because the league has not announced the move.
Just sayin…
UConn to join AFC North
Moneywise, I thought a restocked BE would have been better, if properly done. But I can see the need for Pitt/Cuse to assure themselves a stable conference, and a spot at the superconference table. I wonder how much the ACC move to a 20M exit fee helped to reassure Pitt.
Well, if we were going to move, I thought the ACC was the best fit. I like it better than the Big f(x), which seems too dry and conservative.
So Pitt can lay claim to having blown up a conference. Two conferences, if you believe JoPa.
If this is the beginning of superconferences, Its early in the process. I hope that when the dust clears, Pitt doesn’t regret it.
The real question is who is leaving the ACC
At least somebody has to be (Florida State), and probably somebody else too.
No funeral.
Beat Temple.
it certainly is.
but the WVU people I’ve talked to seem very confident that they will be headed “south” alongside Texas A&M.
well the wvu people i've talked to
are borderline retarded so i’m not sure how much weight to put on their opinions. in all seriousness i do hope we continue the pitt-wvu rivalry in both bball and football cause there is no one i love to hate more than wvu
PITT and Syracuse
received word from Morgantown that they are headed South. Obviously AD Oliver Luck is playing things close to the vest right now, until all is settled w/ A&M. WVU, PItt and Syracuse are the 3 schools that really remained tight and wanted to have the Big East work out….unfortunately, it didn’t work that way and so the 3 decided it was time to bail, which is the right move. Not surprised that Pitt and Syracuse would join the ACC….good fits indeed. WVU to ACC? not so much. We’re a better fit in the South.
Things guaranteed to happen: Backyard Brawl will remain annually. WVU will play Syracuse frequently.
Wow
That’s interesting – if it happens, congrats to WVU. Wold have been nice to both land in the same spot, but, as you point out it was the right time to go.
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Brawl will probably be part of ACC-SEC end of season rivalry games then like Clemson-USC and Florida-Florida State
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by oaklandzoo12 on Sep 18, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Backyard Brawl
I’d love to continue playing that game. Pitt has made a big commitment to playing Notre Dame. Not sure who I’d rather play, but it will be interesting to see who Pitt chooses down the line – may not be able to do both.
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