Pitt Vs. Iowa: #BeatingIowa=EpicFail
There's no other way to put it other than this game was an epic collapse. The only thing I can even compare it to is the game against Cincinnati where Pitt held a 21-point lead, and ended up losing 45-44.
Before I get to doom and gloom (and trust me, that's where this is headed), the thing to point out is that before the game, no one would have looked at this as an absolute must win. Sure, Pitt needed to look good, but a loss wouldn't mean the end of the world. Iowa was a non-conference foe and just as I pointed out after Pitt started 2-3 dropping games to Utah, Notre Dame, and Miami, conference play is a whole 'nother animal.
Okay, now that that's finished, here goes.
If you're looking for analysis on Juan Price's breakout game, talk about Kevin Harper not missing any field goals, or Ray Graham going for almost 100 yards again, go read the fishwrap or something.
This was the ugliest thing I've seen since that Bearcats' game and is the reason Pitt's perception (which we discussed earlier this year) is the way it is. Pitt has a penchant for the disappointing. For the lackluster. For the 'Keeping you interested until they stab you in the heart.' That can't and (rightfully) won't change until, well, stuff like this doesn't happen. These things happen to everybody, but I'm not so sure it happens as often to others.
I blame the players, trust me, I do. But this falls a lot on Todd Graham and the coaches for refusing to adjust defensively. If Graham is really about accountability, really about changes, then he needs to make some. And I'm not talking about simply changing schemes or players.
The defense in the fourth quarter these past two games has been abysmal. It's only been the last two games, really, but when they've been bad, they've been real bad. Over the fourth quarters in each of the last two games, Pitt's secondary has jobbed more than Jack Swagger in recent months. Two late scores by Maine shouldn't happen, but because Pitt won, they were excused.Fine, whatever.
But this cost Pitt a game. The thing that was frustrating was that Pitt's defenders were so far off the receivers. Again. I don't know why this keeps happening. You could see them line up before the game and you knew there was no way they were stopping the pass.
The two elephants in the room are Tony Gibson as the secondary coach and Keith Patterson as the defensive coordinator. We all know about Graham's defenses not having a ton of success and if they continue to have fourth quarter collapses, then heads need to roll. There's no PC way of saying it.
That's probably going to be tough for Graham, especially in Patterson's case where they've been long-time friends and were college roommates. But this is simply inexcusable. If Graham wants to rant and rave about Tino all week long and finding someone else to run his video game offense, then he should be equally demanding of his coaches.
It's not even so much the three-touchdown lead (well, okay, that's a big part of it) - it's the fact that it was a pedestrian quarterback, James Vandenberg. Vandy had thrown for 400 yards before this season...over two freaking games against Iowa State and Tennessee Tech. How Pitt held him mostly in check and then allowed him to turn into Steve Young in the 1994 Super Bowl is beyond me. Sorry, but that falls on the coaches.
If the players were able to keep him in check for three quarters, they clearly have the ability to do it. So what is it? Is Pitt going to a prevent-style? Are the getting worn out? Whatever it is, the coaches need to be on top of it and they're clearly not. It's weird, Pitt's defense plays extremely aggressive early on, blitzing from multiple places and then suddenly turn into the Oilers playing against the Bills.
I don't know if I'm a full-fledged card-carrying member of the fire Tony Gibson/Keith Patterson train just yet, but Todd Graham needs to be ready to part ways if things don't get better. And in the interim, at the very least, get them some help. They haven't shown me enough to instill a whole lot of confidence that they know entirely what they're doing and if that means transferring some duties, then so be it.
Don't give me this crap about it's only a few games, either. The Patterson/Gibson combo haven't exactly been lighting things up over their careers and a quick Google search will turn up plenty fan frustration on both.
Tino? Typical game - a few good plays, a few bad ones. If you're hanging this loss on him, then you simply don't like him. That's your right, obviously, but Sunseri didn't cost Pitt this game. Sure there was the last pick, but it shouldn't have come to that. He completed about 70% of his passes for about 250 yards, had two touchdowns and the two interceptions. Not great, not awful ... I don't know. Are we going to see Trey next week? Maybe.
He could have made more plays, but you're not going to get a a great game from him because ... he's not a great quarterback. He's not even a very good one. He's adequate, will occasionally make a big play and will occasionally hurt you. He made some big-time throws today, but those two picks were really bad balls.
Get ready for a fun week.
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From the Dark Side
I went to the Iowa-Pitt game today and in some strange way it wouldn’t have hurt my feelings to see Pitt win. It sure looked like they were going to, and it would have somehow given a little more cred to the Big East. I guess that is now moot considering you are bailing out on our conference.
Anyhow, Pitt had Iowa on the ropes and clearly looked like the faster and better team. Iowa is big, Pitt is fast. I thought the turning point was when the Hawkeyes went to a hurry-up offense. Pitt was gassed by then and Iowa overpowered them to come back. I don’t recall Iowa using a hurry-up/no huddle often at all, so maybe they are on to something.
Good luck the rest of the way (except the BB).
by Midwest Mountaineer on Sep 17, 2025 6:21 PM EDT reply actions
Iowa is Big, Pitt is fast
You pretty much summed up my thoughts in six words - well done.
Pitt being gassed is becoming more of a regular theme as they’ve looked tired in the fourth quarter through each of the first three games. If the players are as tired as they look, then Pitt is going to have a huge problem because there’s not a lot of depth at linebacker or in the secondary - well, there is a bit in the latter, but there’s a lot of youth there.
Pitt looked about as bad as you possibly can in the fourth quarter.
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by CardiacHill on Sep 17, 2025 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Hold on a minute... Twelve and a half men
I’ll butt in one more time. You may want to hold off on burning anything on your coach’s lawn, at least for now. As you pointed out, you are thin on defense and did get out-manned late in the game. He needs time to install his system as well as recruit players that fit in as well. I’m sure it didn’t help with the coaching change and re-change, but at least you avoided the national drama experienced south on I-79.
I also thought that the small corner of Pitt fans at Kinnick were very vocal. Iowa fans were pretty quiet until the game turned, then it was LOUD. It was also tough to overcome having Ashton Kutcher in the house!
by Midwest Mountaineer on Sep 18, 2025 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
People can blame Tino all they want
but he isn’t the one who blew a 24-3 lead. Sure, he made some bad throws and held onto some balls way too long, but Sunseri didn’t lose Pitt this game, as so many are implying. The defense, specifically the linebackers in the middle of the field, lost this game. Vandenberg picked us apart, short pass after short pass, right over the middle and our linebackers were nowhere to be found. I don’t completely understand the type of defense Graham runs, but something has to be done in order to shore up the middle zone pass protection. The first half offense was lots of fun at least…
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by mikeo90 on Sep 17, 2025 8:06 PM EDT reply actions
true he didnt blow the lead by himself
but i think where tino really hurt us is in the fact that iowa played miserably for 3 quarters and we should have seperated ourselves even more on the scoreboard than we did. and tino’s lost fumble in the 1st qtr, dropped snap in the red zone (which led to a field goal instead of a possible td) and interception ( on a promising drive no less) were large factors in us not pulling away like we should have. good teams that know how to win put their foot on a teams throat when they have them down. these are all missed oppurtunities that we cant afford to not cash in own against good teams in hostile territory. tino’s poor play allowed iowa to hang around within striking distance and when they got hot we didnt have enough distance between us to hang on.
by panthro on Sep 18, 2025 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Tino is one of the most polarizing players I’ve seen at Pitt
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by CardiacHill on Sep 18, 2025 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL
I dont know, Palko wasnt all bad.
by Dino on Sep 18, 2025 10:51 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
blame game
I will continue to be a non-believer in Tino, however, after a day of reflection, the loss is around the neck of the entire coaching staff. 21 point lead meltdown is on the coached!
by Dino on Sep 18, 2025 10:53 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
bad coaching
Yeah, once again Tino showed he can’t throw the deep ball, but why did they go into that prevent?? defense. That quarterback was so rattled in the first 3 quarters it wasn’t funny. Did the defensive co-ordinator ever hear of an adjustment? The middle of the field was open all day. Why teams even try to establish a run against this D is beyond me. And I don’t care what they say about breaking your offensive rythm, with a 21 point 4th quarter lead, you run clock. I never thought there would be a worse game coach than Wanny.
by pistonslap on Sep 17, 2025 8:28 PM EDT reply actions
Burning clock
Totally agreed on that - was in my notes but I didn’t touch on it. Graham leaving 20 seconds on the play clock with about ten minutes to play was a huge mistake.
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by CardiacHill on Sep 17, 2025 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't your first touchdown a long pass to a WR down the sideline?
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by Snide Aside on Sep 18, 2025 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It was, but...
It was only about a 10-yard pass over the defender followed by a 50-yard run after the catch. It was a well-thrown ball, just not a long one.
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by CardiacHill on Sep 18, 2025 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Graham
I’m willing to give him time for his offense, but if he turns into another Walt Harris, then he’s a bad choice. You’re never going to be a real top tier team without a defense. Hopefully today was a learning experience for him on clock management.
by pistonslap on Sep 17, 2025 9:07 PM EDT reply actions
Hawkeye fan here
there were two turning points in the game from my vantage point. One, going for it on 4th down instead of pooch punting it. Iowa does not like to be close their own goal line. Had you pooched it there and downed it inside the 20 I think you limit Iowa somewhat. Also, the emotional swing of not getting a first down only boosted the Iowa confidence. Also, the dropped snap earlier by Sunseri on third down and goal was bigger than I thought at the time. I thought any score closes the game out, but I was wrong. If you score a TD there it’s clearly over.
Vandenberg is actually a passing QB that most Hawkeye fans believe is a better pure passer than last year’s QB, Stanzi (who is backing up Cassel in KC now). However, we also believe that our OC and HC prefer a run first style of offense, which will open up the play action passing game. Vandenberg really struggled with play action. Once in the shotgun (which he was in most of the Ohio State game two years ago when he burst on to the scene and is what he played in HS) he showed exactly what we believe we will see all year….assuming he is allowed to be in shotgun more often.
I thought you D-line really did a great job against our O-line and that is one of our strengths. You shut down the run and you got to the QB. But, your DBs need work. But to be fair, one of our WRs is a lock to be in the NFL next year (#7, McNutt) and the other might also. We have talented, tall, sure handed WRs, who are not especially fast but can often outmuscle most DBs for the ball. Which we saw all game. The two TD passes our slot receiver beat a LB for you. I thought you should have been in a dime package but you may not have the personnel.
I think you are a better team than I thought you would be. Your wideouts are slick. Your running game is pretty good (although not best running back in the nation good) and your D-line is very capable. Your QB though is not very dangerous. He makes too many mistakes for a second year starter (although the new offense might be the issue) and is not fast or a run threat which limits this style of offense. OUr DE ignored him as a run threat and then when he quit ignoring him he sacked him twice. If you get a running QB with decent passing skills, this offense will be a nightmare…at least for us it would have been.
Good game and good luck the rest of the way. I see you improving and taking some people out if you get good QB play and can manage time, down and distance better on offense. The issue with fast offensive philosophy is you better have a deep and well conditioned defense because they are going to play a lot of snaps.
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by StoopsMyAss on Sep 18, 2025 11:20 AM EDT reply actions
Good points
Those pooch punts were awful - the whole point is to eliminate the return, and they did that, but by kicking into the end zone each time, Pitt only gained about 20-30 yards anyway, so what’s the point?
What Pitt fans (including myself) probably failed to realize a bit is that even though they have talented players, this is going to be a growing process. But the thing that concerns me the most is the defense. Todd Graham’s defenses generally haven’t been all that good and even if they can get the offense down, there’s no track record to show that the defense will get better once they get used to the system.
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by CardiacHill on Sep 18, 2025 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
If I may throw my 2 cents worth in here?
I watched your game because I was interested in your backup QB. I was also interested in Iowa since Iowa State beat them and MY team (Texas) plays Iowa State.
I’ll start with this - Iowa was HUGE compared to your lines - both D and O. They wore your team down, simple as that.
Your defense played out of it’s mind, in the first half and your offense had Iowa totally confused. You have a very good team, but you only have one explosion threat and that is your excellent running back. Iowa knew this and focused on the run - or so it appeared. I thought your QB managed his offense very well - particularly in the first half.
However, once Iowa figured out they could bulldoze you the game became a slow bleed for Pitt.
Your skill players are very good and your line is only adequate - Graham needs to hit the recruiting trail and bring in the beef - you will love your future then (particularly in the ACC). I was VERY impressed with Pitt and I think your coaches did a good job - Pitt just appeared to finally be overpowered on this day. Your year will be very good and you should go bowling, in my opinion.
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by Snide Aside on Sep 18, 2025 9:37 PM EDT reply actions
O-Line
Regarding the line size, the offensive linemen have slimmed down a bit because of Todd Graham’s system. They need to be in shape to play as much as he wants them to. But point taken on the recruiting thing for the offensive line - Pitt rarely has a great O-line and the recruiting focus hasn’t been there.
Disagree with you on the coaching staff a bit, though. The defensive coaches wet the bed with their coaching late in the game to be honest. To not be able to muster up a scheme to stop a team from scoring three straight TDs on their last three possessions is horrible.
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by CardiacHill on Sep 18, 2025 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
You could be right
There is an old adage about football:
“If the team loses by a narrow margin, it is coaching. If the teams loses by a large margin, it is the players”
Even though this game was a loss by a close margin, there were far too many easy touchdowns given up in the fourth quarter. I suspect your coaches main failure was not doing liberal substitutions during the game to keep their players as fresh as possible - because they were OUT of gas in the fourth qtr.
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by Snide Aside on Sep 18, 2025 10:53 PM EDT reply actions
Out of gas
Yeah, other than the defensive scheme of prevent defense, my main argument would be not subbing more guys in. If fans can tell the players are gassed from the stands, then it should be painfully obvious to the coaches.
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by CardiacHill on Sep 18, 2025 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions

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